ENGAGE advert in the New Statesman this week

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9 Responses to ENGAGE advert in the New Statesman this week

  1. aminriadh says:

    Hitchens – Nicely forgetting that it is the white masses who are leaving Christianity behind. That he does not see as much a problem – but “Blame it on the Muslims”.

    • Brendan says:

      Aminriadh, to be fair C.Hitchens is on record as saying the responsibility of any decline of Christianity in W.Europe lays squarely on the shoulders of the current generation.

  2. hindutva inshallah says:

    Hello Inayat, just to show that white kufrs do not have a monopoly on racism and apartheid, check this out

    “It is extremely difficult to appreciate why our Hindu friends fail to understand the real nature of Islam and Hinduism. They are not religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders, and it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality, and this misconception of one Indian nation has troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, litterateurs. They neither intermarry nor interdine together and, indeed, they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspect on life and of life are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Mussalmans derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, different heroes, and different episodes. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other and, likewise, their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built for the government of such a state.”

    Muhammed Ali Jinnah, founder of the ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan

    • Shakil Ahmed says:

      dear hindutva inshallah: do you seriously think that readers are so stupid as to take the above statement as showing any racism or aparthied? You are either confused or trying to confuse others. Mr Jinnah was given the title of the Amabassador of Hindu-Muslim Unity by, not any Muslim, but others. See these:
      Ambassador of Hindu Muslim unity is the title of two books written on the politics of Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founding father of Pakistan.
      1.Ambassador of Hindu Muslim Unity / Advocate of Hindu Muslim Unity by Sarojini Naidu, 1918
      2.Ambassador of Hindu Muslim Unity: Jinnah’s Early Politics by Ian Bryant Wells.

      Secondly, Mr Jinnah wholeheartedly supported the safeguarding of the interest of all minorities (which, alas, remains a far cry in India) including Hindus. The first speaker of Pakistan’s Parliament was a Hindu, and first Chief Justice and first Army Chief were both Christians. YOu must have seen this as well from Mr Jinnah:
      In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims—Hindus, Christians, and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan. Broadcast talk to the people of the United States on Pakistan recorded February, 1948.

      • hindutva inshallah says:

        Hello Shakil, I don’t know what to make of this reply. Are you in denial, lying or simply an EDL troll who is trying to make the community sound stupid?

        The quote I pasted above came from a speech that Jinnah made, change a few words and it could have come from Griffin or Le Pen. Ok back to your points

        “Secondly, Mr Jinnah wholeheartedly supported the safeguarding of the interest of all minorities”.

        Safeguarding minorities, is that why 1 million hindus and Sikhs were beaten to death in the aftermath of the partition. Further, 7 million hindus and Sikhs were forcibly expelled from what is now the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, one of which became India’s current PM, Mamo Singh. No problems, think of how many Phd’s, physicians, business leaders and rocket scientists you guys did not want.

        “(which, alas, remains a far cry in India)”

        Did I mention the Sikh PM of India? In India, muslims have made it to the presidency, the cabinet, captain of the cricket team, business leaders, generals and fighter pilots. In contrast, religious minorities in Pakistan frequently face being murder. Remember Salman Taser? He was a Christian government minister who was later murdered and his murderer was feted around town like a popstar. Don’t forget the beheading of two Sikh religious travellers in the country you call ‘back home’. Tell me how many Kufr (sorry scumbag Kufr) soldiers there are in the PAF? Zero, perhaps, due to your famous dhimmi laws.

        Pakistan is such a wonderful place that even Mr Jinnah’s daughter didn’t live there after she married a Kufr out of love.

        Jinnah obviously had high hopes for his new found state, but now it is on its way to either

        1. disintergration
        2. Becoming China’s newest province.

        ZaiJian (Chinese for goodbye – prepare for the future)

        Hindutva Inshallah

        • S Ahmed says:

          Dear hindutva (sorry, I don’t know whether this is your real name or not)

          I think we are comparing apples with oranges here. You first wrote about Mr Jinnah and when that was challenged, you started talking about Pakistan today (which is NOT what Mr Jinnah, the Great Leader, had in his vision – far from it). In the quote from him that you first shared, Mr Jinnah was merely pointing out the differences between two communities, not saying one was superior to the other; that’s what you are trying to make but your attempt failed miserably.

          I agree the Pakistan today is not much better than India today in terms of respect for minorities’ rights, corruption, intolerance etc.

          And please check your facts before you write: Salman Taseer was not a minister, he was a Governor and more importantly, he was not a Christian, he was a Muslim. If you don’t have access to authentic sources, just check his web site http://www.salmantaseer.com/memorial/life.aspx.

          By the way, no Muslim in their right mind would support any murder or unlawful killing (including that of Taseer even though they may disagree with his views and actions).

  3. Brendan says:

    Dear Shakil, I wonder if you have ever asked Pakistani Christians about how they are experiencing Jinnah’s vsion of ‘enjoying the same rights and priviledges of other citizens…?

    • S Ahmed says:

      My dear Brendan, I know where you are coming from and I fully agree that Pakistan’s Christians, in many cases are not being treated the way they should be according to Jinnah’s vision and Islamic teachings. We all need to work together to raise our voices to alleviate the sufferings of all minorities; however, some of the people seem intent on flaming the hatred, unfortunately.

  4. Brendan says:

    Well said Shakil

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